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	<title>Comments on: Cheap &#8220;Poor-man&#8217;s&#8221; Networking (Crossover Networking)</title>
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		<title>By: Riso</title>
		<link>http://jamus.co.nz/techthought/2009/07/18/crossover-networking/comment-page-2/#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>Riso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for posting this. It helped me a lot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for posting this. It helped me a lot</p>
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		<title>By: Jamus</title>
		<link>http://jamus.co.nz/techthought/2009/07/18/crossover-networking/comment-page-2/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me a while to figure out what&#039;s happened, but anyways:

&lt;strong&gt;Symptom&lt;/strong&gt;
The “sharing” tab is not available in the new windows that pops up.

&lt;strong&gt;The reason&lt;/strong&gt;
There isn’t an Internet connection running on either of the computers when you were trying to share a non-existing Internet connection.

&lt;strong&gt;More importantly, the problem that we have here&lt;/strong&gt;
It sounds like both of your computers have only one LAN port each, and that it is not possible to wire to both the DSL modem and to each other simultaneously. In other words, on one of the two computers, it needs to have 1) One connection to the other computer, and 2) One connection to the DSL modem.

I think before we proceed to link up the two computers according to the tutorial, we need to figure out how to deal with the problem first.

&lt;u&gt;Suggestions&lt;/u&gt;
1) Get a PCI ethernet card and insert into one of the two computers. That way, you will have two LAN ports to deal with this problem

2) Get a router, which will connect to the router and the two computers. This will eliminate the need for a crossover network

3) Get two wireless USB adaptors, and pluck them into each of the two computers. That way, the crossover network will be formed via the ad hoc manner.

I am looking forward to your reply :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me a while to figure out what&#8217;s happened, but anyways:</p>
<p><strong>Symptom</strong><br />
The “sharing” tab is not available in the new windows that pops up.</p>
<p><strong>The reason</strong><br />
There isn’t an Internet connection running on either of the computers when you were trying to share a non-existing Internet connection.</p>
<p><strong>More importantly, the problem that we have here</strong><br />
It sounds like both of your computers have only one LAN port each, and that it is not possible to wire to both the DSL modem and to each other simultaneously. In other words, on one of the two computers, it needs to have 1) One connection to the other computer, and 2) One connection to the DSL modem.</p>
<p>I think before we proceed to link up the two computers according to the tutorial, we need to figure out how to deal with the problem first.</p>
<p><u>Suggestions</u><br />
1) Get a PCI ethernet card and insert into one of the two computers. That way, you will have two LAN ports to deal with this problem</p>
<p>2) Get a router, which will connect to the router and the two computers. This will eliminate the need for a crossover network</p>
<p>3) Get two wireless USB adaptors, and pluck them into each of the two computers. That way, the crossover network will be formed via the ad hoc manner.</p>
<p>I am looking forward to your reply <img src='http://jamus.co.nz/techthought/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://jamus.co.nz/techthought/2009/07/18/crossover-networking/comment-page-2/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying to copy data from old desktop &#039;puter to newer desktop &#039;puter.
Both run Windows XP, home ed. SP3

Both, independently, work fine over a CAT5-wired DSL modem. 
Both have Network Connections/System/local area network running.

I did not create a new connection, using the existing LAN connections.
Did as instructed, got to the point where I assigned new workgroup names and 
rebooted both machines.

Then, where you instruct: 
1. Go to Start &gt; Control Panel &gt; Network Connections &gt; Network Connections
2. Right-click on your LAN connection and click “Properties”
3. A new window should pop up, click the “Sharing” tab
4. Tick the checkbox that lies next to the statement “Allow other network users to connect through this computer’s Internet connection”...

I find the same panel as before, no sharing tab. 

BTW, I haven&#039;t yet linked the crossover cable between the computers - or I couldn&#039;t be on the net reading thee direction. My Ethernet ports would be linked to each other, not the DSL modem. I was going to do that last. Then go back on line when I&#039;m done.

No luck so far getting transfers going.

Thank you for your help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to copy data from old desktop &#8216;puter to newer desktop &#8216;puter.<br />
Both run Windows XP, home ed. SP3</p>
<p>Both, independently, work fine over a CAT5-wired DSL modem.<br />
Both have Network Connections/System/local area network running.</p>
<p>I did not create a new connection, using the existing LAN connections.<br />
Did as instructed, got to the point where I assigned new workgroup names and<br />
rebooted both machines.</p>
<p>Then, where you instruct:<br />
1. Go to Start &gt; Control Panel &gt; Network Connections &gt; Network Connections<br />
2. Right-click on your LAN connection and click “Properties”<br />
3. A new window should pop up, click the “Sharing” tab<br />
4. Tick the checkbox that lies next to the statement “Allow other network users to connect through this computer’s Internet connection”&#8230;</p>
<p>I find the same panel as before, no sharing tab. </p>
<p>BTW, I haven&#8217;t yet linked the crossover cable between the computers &#8211; or I couldn&#8217;t be on the net reading thee direction. My Ethernet ports would be linked to each other, not the DSL modem. I was going to do that last. Then go back on line when I&#8217;m done.</p>
<p>No luck so far getting transfers going.</p>
<p>Thank you for your help.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamus</title>
		<link>http://jamus.co.nz/techthought/2009/07/18/crossover-networking/comment-page-2/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Internet — Laptop (via the usb wireless adapter with ICS turned on)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
How is the laptop connected wirelessly to the Internet? Is it connected directly to a transmission tower, similar to WiMAX? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX

I am from New Zealand, and we haven&#039;t had much exposure to high speed wireless Internet, so I do apologise for the naivety of the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Internet — Laptop (via the usb wireless adapter with ICS turned on)
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<p>How is the laptop connected wirelessly to the Internet? Is it connected directly to a transmission tower, similar to WiMAX? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX</a></p>
<p>I am from New Zealand, and we haven&#8217;t had much exposure to high speed wireless Internet, so I do apologise for the naivety of the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I had not noticed that the brackets in my response disappeared when i sent it. Here is a retry. i have represented the connections with --- since my brackets seem to disappear:

What I have right now is;

Internet --- Laptop (via the usb wireless adapter with ICS turned on)

What I am trying to achieve:

Internet --- Laptop (via usb adapter) --- wireless (and wired) router ---- another laptop (via wireless to the router) and an Analog Telehone Adapter (ATA) wired to the router for voip telephone service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I had not noticed that the brackets in my response disappeared when i sent it. Here is a retry. i have represented the connections with &#8212; since my brackets seem to disappear:</p>
<p>What I have right now is;</p>
<p>Internet &#8212; Laptop (via the usb wireless adapter with ICS turned on)</p>
<p>What I am trying to achieve:</p>
<p>Internet &#8212; Laptop (via usb adapter) &#8212; wireless (and wired) router &#8212;- another laptop (via wireless to the router) and an Analog Telehone Adapter (ATA) wired to the router for voip telephone service.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but before we move on further, could you please confirm that the network illustration that I had provided earlier is correct? If that is largely incorrect of the situation, could you please provide a diagram that is more commensurable?

Jamus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but before we move on further, could you please confirm that the network illustration that I had provided earlier is correct? If that is largely incorrect of the situation, could you please provide a diagram that is more commensurable?</p>
<p>Jamus</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I have right now is;

Internet  Laptop (via the usb wireless adapter with ICS turned on)

What I am trying to achieve:

Internet  Laptop (via usb adapter)  wireless (and wired) router  another laptop (via wireless to the router) and an Analog Telehone Adapter (ATA) wired to the router for voip telephone service.

I had the ATA working before without the router and the second laptop by connecting the ATA directly to the LAN connection of the primary laptop with a crossover cable.

What is different now is that my ISP is assigning a static IP to the primary laptop and that I would like to connect the router to the LAN connection.

BTW, the laptop usb wireless adapter IP is 192.168.1.170, subnet 255.255.255.0, default gateway 192.168.1.1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I have right now is;</p>
<p>Internet  Laptop (via the usb wireless adapter with ICS turned on)</p>
<p>What I am trying to achieve:</p>
<p>Internet  Laptop (via usb adapter)  wireless (and wired) router  another laptop (via wireless to the router) and an Analog Telehone Adapter (ATA) wired to the router for voip telephone service.</p>
<p>I had the ATA working before without the router and the second laptop by connecting the ATA directly to the LAN connection of the primary laptop with a crossover cable.</p>
<p>What is different now is that my ISP is assigning a static IP to the primary laptop and that I would like to connect the router to the LAN connection.</p>
<p>BTW, the laptop usb wireless adapter IP is 192.168.1.170, subnet 255.255.255.0, default gateway 192.168.1.1</p>
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		<title>By: Jamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I have a situation similar to what you describe above. I connect to the internet with a laptop through a usb wireless adapter which has a static IP address and ICS turned on. I want to connect a router to the Lan port of the laptop so that my other laptop can connect to the internet through it. I will connect an ATA to the router for telephone.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If I have interpreted what you have said correctly...

Internet &lt;-&gt; Wireless Router &lt;-&gt; Laptop (via the USB wireless adaptor).

And this is what you would like to achieve:

Internet &lt;-&gt; Wireless Router &lt;-&gt; Laptop &lt;-&gt; Another Router &lt;-&gt; The Other Laptop (via LAN Connection).

Is that right?

What did you mean by ATA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have a situation similar to what you describe above. I connect to the internet with a laptop through a usb wireless adapter which has a static IP address and ICS turned on. I want to connect a router to the Lan port of the laptop so that my other laptop can connect to the internet through it. I will connect an ATA to the router for telephone.</p></blockquote>
<p>If I have interpreted what you have said correctly&#8230;</p>
<p>Internet < -> Wireless Router < -> Laptop (via the USB wireless adaptor).</p>
<p>And this is what you would like to achieve:</p>
<p>Internet < -> Wireless Router < -> Laptop < -> Another Router < -> The Other Laptop (via LAN Connection).</p>
<p>Is that right?</p>
<p>What did you mean by ATA?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a situation similar to what you describe above. I connect to the internet with a laptop through a usb wireless adapter which has a static IP address and ICS turned on. I want to connect a router to the Lan port of the laptop so that my other laptop can connect to the internet through it. I will connect an ATA to the router for telephone. 

I assume that I need to connect the WAN side of the router to the Lan port of the laptop. Does that need to be a crossover cable?  Also do you know what the IP settings on the Lan connection and router need to be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a situation similar to what you describe above. I connect to the internet with a laptop through a usb wireless adapter which has a static IP address and ICS turned on. I want to connect a router to the Lan port of the laptop so that my other laptop can connect to the internet through it. I will connect an ATA to the router for telephone. </p>
<p>I assume that I need to connect the WAN side of the router to the Lan port of the laptop. Does that need to be a crossover cable?  Also do you know what the IP settings on the Lan connection and router need to be?</p>
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		<title>By: Jamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know, no. This is mainly because serial ports are not detectable as network adaptors, therefore if you do not have a network interface on the computers in the first place, you wouldn&#039;t be able to form a crossover network using such method.

Having said so, there are ethernet-to-serial adaptors available on the market: http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/490402

However, I would advise installing a PCI Ethernet Card into the computer rather than following this method.

Jamus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, no. This is mainly because serial ports are not detectable as network adaptors, therefore if you do not have a network interface on the computers in the first place, you wouldn&#8217;t be able to form a crossover network using such method.</p>
<p>Having said so, there are ethernet-to-serial adaptors available on the market: <a href="http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/490402" rel="nofollow">http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/490402</a></p>
<p>However, I would advise installing a PCI Ethernet Card into the computer rather than following this method.</p>
<p>Jamus</p>
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